>> i think he inspires peopleard the world. i witnessed people coming to south africa to pay tribute to him during the world cup and at other moments. there is no greater figure in my lifetime, i think as president obama said, his inspiration, i think he has inspired people not just in south africa or in africa but around the world. and in the end what he did in south africa is an example that we all need to follow. >> gay mcdougall, what was theeo on to be the great leader that he was? qus. >> he was quite a remarkableind. i don't think there's anything, he has a down home folksiness to him as well. but i think the mixture of knowing how to handle and to deal with power, that seems very much as a member of a collective. of decision makers. as a member of a liberation movement of a political party, of south africans as a whole. i would never forget the, really, transcendent moment, that i was prinched t privilegee with him. put my name forward to be on the commission. but it was a remarkable moment. for him and for his nation.